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 timothy kosednar |
Russian Jack front 9 |
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Posts: 137 (09/05/07 07:50:03) |
I will be meeting today with the North East Regional Manager for Parks and Rec. regarding the details of the following:
Yearly passes, day passes and comped passes for volunteer work; at Russian Jack Springs Park Disc Golf Course. timk |
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timothy kosednar |
Re: Russian Jack front 9 | ||
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Posts: 137 (09/06/07 06:08:38) |
Here are the greens fees for Russian Jack:
Day Pass Mon-Fri Sat-Sun Adult (18-61) $11 $13 Junior (under 17) $8 $11 Senior (over61) $8 $11 Holidays $14 after 7pm $8 $11 Punch pass 8 Day passes for Adult $65 $80 other $50 $65 Season Pass adult $175 other $130 family (4 members) $ 250 343-6992 chalet number for tee times or other info. |
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timothy kosednar |
Volunteer opportunities | ||
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Posts: 137 (09/06/07 06:55:27) |
The park manager at Russian Jack is willing to trade course privileges in exchange for four hours a week volunteer time as a course marschall. If you are unsure about pay to play consider this volunteer opportunity to check things out. timk
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timothy kosednar |
Russian Jack front 9 - distances | ||
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Posts: 137 (09/08/07 05:50:07) |
The following are the distances wheeled off for the front 9:
# distance in feet par (suggested) one 505 3 two 653 4 three 516 4 four 500 4 five 555 4 six 452 3 seven 790 5 eight 531 4 nine 901 5 The adjusted for elevation distance has not been calculated yet. Another suggestion is to make the ball golf greens and the road on # 4, out of bounds. play on! timk |
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sparkeater2000 |
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Posts: 8 (09/08/07 12:59:32) |
i played the new course wendsday ,and found it fun and challenging (sore arm after) ,my area of contention was the lack of communication,i live 5 minutes from the course and had a open schedule and would have happily put in the time to help put in the course.my link to what is going on in the association is very unreliable.please who evers job it is to update the website should really do so.and i joined over 2 months ago and i still am waiting for my bag tag and membership card,it would be nice to get something out of my membership other than saving a measley 5 bucks on tournament fee's.i know every one has busy lives ,but if you said you would mantain the website than please do so ,or ask someone else to do so.if this association seems to be a good ol boy club where the newer members are not involved in the club activitys.i have over 20 yrs of construction experience and would love to help.its just nice to know what the hell is happening and when. thanks
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timothy kosednar |
Re: Russian Jack front 9 | ||
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Posts: 137 (09/09/07 05:21:02) |
Most of the posting on this course was under " New course Development" until it actually went in. There is much to be done on the " back 9 " , so if you want to post your name and phone number, I can assure you will get a call to work on the course in the future. timk
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Robbie Rollins |
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Posts: 235 (09/10/07 15:59:50) Web Manager |
I don't have any idea whose job is it to do the web site anymore. I did it for the first few years and it doesn't look much different than when I stopped.
Anyways, my second time playing at Russian Jack I knocked 7 throws off my previous score (37/36 = 73 for 18 holes). I might be playing this evening around 7ish. |
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aksnowman59 |
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Posts: 25 (09/25/07 08:35:48) |
Russian jack sounds like a lot of fun. will it be playable in the winter? I still think the fees are a little steep. Are they giving discounts on year memberships. Or maybe hold a tournament where the winners of each division get free year memberships. I don't know just some thoughts on how to get a lot more serious golfers out there with those crazy fees in place.
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timothy kosednar |
greens fees | ||
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Posts: 137 (09/25/07 09:35:56) |
The regional manager (Terry Peters) is waiting to talk with Steve W. regarding discounts for club members. She is waiting to hear from her boss on selling next years season pass and the rest of this season for $175. You can also volunteer 4 hours a week in exchange for playing privileges, talk to Terry about that. As far as winter use goes, the baskets should stay in all year. They are concerned about conflicts with skiers. Once the skiing gets good I expect golfers would lose too many discs and as a result stick with westchester for winter play. timk
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aksnowman59 |
Re: greens fees | ||
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Posts: 25 (09/26/07 04:45:20) |
So when the back 9 holes go in across the street, how's it going to work? Are people only going to have to pay to play the front 9 and then the back is free. Because I seriously doubt anyone is going to pay a 3-5 dollar parking fee to play the back and then turn around and hand over another $13 for a front 9 that dominates even the biggest of arms. Has the manager of the course been shown examples of what pay to play courses everywhere else look like. They're much nicer and a lot less expensive. I just don't want to see all this hard work you guys are putting in go to waste, because the owner doesn't see a large enough volume of players. Remember, most disc golfers love the sport because it is inexpensive. The owner would make a lot more money if he lowered the fee to $5. Most people wouldn't think twice about dropping that kind of fee to play. I'm not trying to complain or make anyone angry by pushing the subject. Like I said, I would just hate to see all that hard work go to waste and the baskets get pulled again.
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timothy kosednar |
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Posts: 137 (09/26/07 08:49:15) |
The baskets won't be pulled because of under use. The park is being managed by the city, not a private vendor. The baskets will be removed if there are conflicts with other users as in the winter with skiers but we worked hard to minimize conflicts. The biggest concern the park manager has is that the course would turn into an out of control westchester party scene. If you have ever been to westchester during the summer peak usage times you will undoubtedly share that concern. The back 9 and the north side will be free but again the same concerns about conflicts and bad behavior.
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aksnowman59 |
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Posts: 25 (09/26/07 14:10:50) |
Westchester is a party scene because of it's location. It's in downtown and connected with the coastal trail. If people wanted to party and sneak onto the course at Russian Jack and play for free they would. The only people the high greens fees are affecting are the true disc golfers. It's not nearly a good enough course to warrant such a fee. Kincaid and Peter's Creek are far nicer and there's no fee and look, there aren't people partying it up at those courses, because of where they're located. If the city is running the course then there is definately no need for such a high fee.
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Valkon AK |
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Posts: 143 (09/27/07 11:13:19) Member |
If it's not worth the fee.. THEN DON'T PLAY THERE.
For those of us like me that don't enjoy the Westchester underage-can't-hold-our-liquor-let's-destroy-stuff scene or the let's-go-lose-a-disc-and-use-the-park-as-a-trashcan Kincaid course, we prefer to play Russian Jack and are willing to pay the fee to get away from that crap. Folks had ample opportunity to pitch in and help on this course. Those that did got the chance to purchase an annual pass for the next year at a reduced cost. Those that didn't can still pitch in as course marshals for a few hours a week to earn free play (contact Tim K or the RJ chalet for more info). You have complaints? Take it up with the Municipality of Anchorage as it sets the price and runs the course - Tim K and the others that worked to get baskets put back in are NOT the ones to bitch at. Want to pay $5 per day? Buy a season pass for 175 and play 35 days in the year. |
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aksnowman59 |
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Posts: 25 (09/28/07 07:20:52) |
I'm not bitching at anyone in particular, but when you say it like that it sounds like you guys would rather have the higher price to keep people away so you can have your own little course. Basically you're saying that it's for volunteers only and the rest of you can pay out the ass to play. Of course you guys don't care about the fee, because you're not the ones paying it. I wasn't even ripping on Tim K. and I stated that. He was just the only one responding. I was just trying to see people's reasoning behind such exorbitant fees. But hey, thanks, now I see. I'm sure all of you ran up to the municipality at once and said, well, a lot of people won't be able to afford the season pass or the $13 fee. You put that course in for the wrong reasons, yeah, I agree Westchester sucks, never said I liked the course. And as far as "Kincaid is a trash can" goes, well if you don't want it to eat your discs then get better. Everyone wanted disc golf in Alaska to explode and it did now you guys are pissed so you've decided to become selfish about it. I know you don't like how the club up there is being run but Steve is doing the best he can with what he had thrown at him. It's sad, almost like you're trying to take a step backwards with disc golf in Alaska.
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timothy kosednar |
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Posts: 137 (09/28/07 10:05:12) |
The greens fees for the front 9 were a given from the start, not our idea to exclude anyone. For convenience sake and to prove that disc golf was as respectable as ball golf it just seemed like a good idea to charge all golfers the same fee. I think that as time goes on and the Manager gets a better idea of how it all will work there may be an opportunity to restructure the fees. For now everything seems to be working fine. About 10 players from Homer were up for the "Course Challenge" last week. They play on a private course there and they expect to "pay to play." There hasn't been many folks trying to sneak on either. When you observe the scene at the "free" courses you will notice that the players there have the $11/ 13, for the greens fee, they are just choosing to spend the $ in other ways. So I think it is a matter of choice and personal preference. Do you prefer to spend $ on the greens fee or on beer, weed, or gasoline etc. I have heard that the fees are less in the lower 48. I also know that the parks there are supported by taxes that we don't pay in Alaska. To make things happen here takes volunteers and donations. Valkon, for example made a $1000 donation to the ADGA and when the install got ahead of schedule at Russian Jack, he bought $100 worth of locks so the baskets could go in that day. There is also a dedicated core group of players who do maintanence and pick up trash at Peters Creek so you never notice just how bad the partying is out there. The baskets at Westchester were manufactured poorly and they have been failing regularly for the last year. Dedicated players take it apon themselves to get those baskets rewelded and back in play. This type of dedication, volunteer spirit and a willingness to lay cash on the line to make something happen is what keeps the disc golf scene moving forward. So just to speak in their defense, they probably don't respect the players who: care more about their scores than the quality of the course they play on; never show up to volunteer for maintanence or install work;trash the courses; destroy the targets or the tee signs, or who want everything for free. timk
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aksnowman59 |
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Posts: 25 (09/28/07 12:12:31) |
I do respect all of the hard work that you have put in on getting Russian Jack up so fast. Yes, we don't pay state tax here like most other states, and why is that, because our state already has the money. That is why they give it back to us every year right? You're right I do care a lot about my scores, I want to be the best. But I also care about the quality of course I play on and Russian Jack isn't a quality course the way it's set up. You have it set up as if we're ball golfers and we're not. We're disc golfers, we thrive on obstacles, elevation changes, and water hazards that's what makes us better. Oh, and when my friends and I go to courses our only expense is the maybe $2 in gas to get there and a bottle of water. Not quite the $11-13 range you specified. It's great that you guys volunteer with such "Modesty" but for some of us, the weekend is all we have to even see a course. It's nice that you guys try to make everyone that doesn't volunteer, that just want to play disc golf, feel like crap.
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skijor03 |
Three Cheers for Tim! | ||
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Posts: 1 (10/03/07 08:59:13) |
Tim, you are the man. Thanks so much for keeping the random and demanding elements of disc golf course design and implementation and personnel in order to get Russian Jack back in. I must say "NO THANKS" to the individual who keeps posting about why things aren't the way he wants them to be at Russian Jack. I haven't met any disc golfer who wants to pay to play. I have met reasonable people who understand nothing comes for free and want to help as best they are able. "Russian Jack is not a quality course the way it is set up," guess I won't have the joy of waiting on your narrow minded view point on the course. Oh, and if you "feel like crap" that's just your conscience talking (to you, nobody else.)
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aksnowman59 |
Re: Three Cheers for Tim! | ||
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Posts: 25 (10/03/07 09:38:32) |
First of all, I have not said once on here that I didn't appreciate all of Tim K.'s hard work. I know Tim works hard. The guy has been doing good things for disc golf in Alaska ever since I started playing on those half-tire baskets in '01. I just remember how quick people were to start whining that Russian Jack was way too long and boring. People lost interest in that course after a couple months back in '02. I know I was there. So the rest of you should quit talking smack because you weren't even around back then. And don't complain when I come back up there and throw a 60 on that course and you all are in the 80's and 90's.
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timothy kosednar |
Re: Three Cheers for Tim! | ||
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Posts: 137 (10/04/07 07:32:07) |
The manager at Russian Jack has some good end of the season green fee reductions available. Buy next years season pass ( $175) and it will be good for the remainder of this season too. Also a two for one day pass deal. She also gave the ADGA a sweet deal for the course challenge, waiving the greens fees for all participants. All course challenge participants will recieve one comped day pass for future use. This is really a great time to get out and play the course for less money. Play on! timk
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aksnowman59 |
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Posts: 25 (10/04/07 13:39:32) |
Tim, is there any possibility of maybe getting a small pro shop put in at the russian jack club house. Maybe a few racks of quality discs so people don't have to pay the Play-it-again sports prices. Just a thought.
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timothy kosednar |
2 for 1 twilight pass | ||
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Posts: 137 (10/09/07 07:28:38) |
the two for one deal is only for twilight passes. sorry for the mistake. timk
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